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mega_blast Antenna-Theory.com Newbie
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Schubert Antenna Wizard
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Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Krs,
Good post.
The bad news is that it is pretty difficult to get a patch antenna to radiate circularly polarized fields. If you can do it, remember it is only circularly polarized over a narrow beam width and narrow bandwidth.
Balanis' book does discuss obtaining circular polarization using the manner you described. However, I find it doesn't really work, when I've tried to do the simulations (albeit with FEKO, a different numerical code).
Can you set up some sort of imaginary surface (on the radiation boundary) and calculate the E-fields? Then animate them and see if they are rotating?
One method used in real systems is to measure the received energy with Left- and Right- Circularly Polarized antennas and compare. In your case, you would need to model one and then look at S12. But this may be a more difficult method than need be.
See also:
http://www.antenna-theory.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=74&sid=e455a68ab3f95e8a6dbbd56c4f650239 |
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mega_blast Antenna-Theory.com Newbie
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Schubert! Thanks for your reply.
| Quote: | | ..Can you set up some sort of imaginary surface (on the radiation boundary) and calculate the E-fields? Then animate them and see if they are rotating?.. |
So I did as you wrote, I created imaginary surface (air box) - a thin portion of 4 cm(so close because that could see bigger vectors) over antenna and calculate the E-fields.
http://vimeo.com/30943177
- better view:
http://vimeo.com/30943938
Will you help me interpret the results?
In second video (top-view) you can see as vector-E changes direction (in time) elliptically. - Can we say that the antenna will work well with circular polarized tag ?? ( does this type of statements are needed measurements (eg in an anechoic chamber) or simply measurements and tests with tag?)
If I'm wrong in something, you can correct me,
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Schubert Antenna Wizard
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm, ok the air box results don't look great. The E-field vector has a significant z-directed component above the patch, which means we are not looking in the far field.
I would guess you probably have some degree of circular polarization, (really elliptical, with a major to minor axis ratio of at least 5.0). But it's not definitive from this view.
Can you move the imaginary surface farther away so that it is in the far field?
One more thing - don't look at surface currents on the patch. These aren't responsible for the patch radiation - it is the fringing E-fields on the side that give the radiation. |
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mega_blast Antenna-Theory.com Newbie
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | One more thing - don't look at surface currents on the patch. These aren't responsible for the patch radiation - it is the fringing E-fields on the side that give the radiation. | - thanks for reminding / hint
| Quote: | | Can you move the imaginary surface farther away so that it is in the far field? |
Sure, I used a formula:
R>>D,
where D~=16cm -> R~=160cm.
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/yZz7Ks3xlL6x0_WTWdAQ8zo76djk1dXnqt3N-4Cw980?feat=directlink
The simulation results:
http://vimeo.com/31043345
In cross-vertical view shows the vector E-field in the direction Z was decrease (in amination can not see it). But, you can see that the change vector E-field at the time was more like a circular polarization (still elliptic) - Can we say yet, that the antenna will work with circular polarized tag ?
And can we measure (e.g. ruler on screen :] ) the length of the vectors E-field and calculate their ratio (snapshot length vector E direction_X / snapshot length vector direction_Y)?
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Schubert Antenna Wizard
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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For far field, you need all 3 conditions met, given here:
http://www.antenna-theory.com/basics/fieldRegions.php
(also need R>>lambda and R>2*D*D/lambda).
So you might not yet be in the far field.
Now, I believe you do have some circular polarization here. The E-field tip appears to move somewhat elliptically. This is generally characterized by the eccentricity of the ellipse (axial ratio). Also, the degree of circular polarization will vary as a function of bandwidth and angle (i.e. broadside or along the plane of the patch or whatever). |
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mega_blast Antenna-Theory.com Newbie
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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:05 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the answers
really helped me to clarify my knowledge about the polarization of the patch antennas.
Krs. |
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