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comanchero
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:34 pm    Post subject: Lindenblad antenna Reply with quote

Hello,

I could not find anything - neither on the website, nor in the forum - on this specific and interesting antenna type/configuration.

Across the web some info on practical applications is to be found, but almost nothing, if anything, about the theory.

DIYs
https://www.amsat.org/amsat/articles/w6shp/lindy.html
https://www.dxzone.com/catalog/Antennas/Lindenblad/
http://af6sa.com/projects/Lindenblad.html

FM Broadcast (Lucoro)
https://www.lucorobroadcast.com/media/fmant01.pdf
https://www.lucorobroadcast.com/products.htm#antennas

FM Broadcast (Shively)
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/983156/Shively-Labs-6017.html
https://www.shively.com/get-to-know-us/our-projects/times-square-ny-21-station-project/

ATC
https://www.amsat.org/amsat/articles/w6shp/lindy-09.gif

Could, possibly, some of the AT's authors write/explain the theory? In an article on the website, ideally. PLEASE!

THANK YOU.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't heard of it before. What are the advantages or why do you have interest in this particular antenna?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:20 am    Post subject: Re: Lindenblad antenna Reply with quote

comanchero wrote:
... I could not find anything - neither on the website, nor in the forum - on this specific and interesting antenna type/configuration. ... Could, possibly, some of the AT's authors write/explain the theory?...

The radiation pattern of a properly-driven Lindenblad antenna is circularly polarized with a very low axial ratio. That is, its free-space, radiated fields are nearly uniform in all planes of polarization.

The benefits of that are:

1. The physical orientation of receive antennas is less important, and
2. Reflections of the radiated wave as a result of the propagation environment tend to be rejected by a receive antenna with the same sense of rotation as the transmitted waveform.

Below is a link to a graphic showing the radiation envelope calculated by NEC4.2 from/for a Lindenblad antenna in free space.

https://i.postimg.cc/7bvXpCB5/Lindenblad-Radiation-Envelope-Free-Space.jpg
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:03 am    Post subject: VHF/FM Broadcast Reply with quote

admin wrote:
I haven't heard of it before. What are the advantages or why do you have interest in this particular antenna?


Hello, @admin,

my main scope of interest is VHF/FM Broadcast.

The main advantage is that it is very likely the only Circularly polarised antenna with perfectly Omnidirectional radiation pattern (as @R. Fry also mentioned).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_polarization#FM_radio
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnidirectional_antenna

The other, more popular C pol. solutions will never be perfectly 360° radiating, due to the shade and reflections of the mounting pole.
https://www.aldena.it/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/acg010223x-vhf-band-ii-fm_aldena.pdf
https://www.aldena.it/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/acf02022xx-vhf-band-ii-fm_aldena.pdf

The probably only other way of achieving 360° radiation is horizontally stacking directional C pol. antennae.
https://www.aldena.it/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/alp050291x-vhf-band-ii-fm_aldena.pdf
https://www.aldena.it/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/APX02025x0-VHF-Band-II-FM_Aldena.pdf
https://www.aldena.it/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/aqp0402420-vhf-band-ii-fm_aldena.pdf
This solution though loads the budget significantly - possibly making it unavailable to many local LPFM broadcasters.

The main disadvantage of Lindenblad probably is its possible attraction to lightnings. Thus a lightning rod must be mounted on top of the mounting pole, sharing the platform with the antenna - to be placed above the antenna in order to be a higher leading point (in the area).

And that might concern me mostly. What do you think - is it possible to effectively/perfectly de-couple the lightning rod from the antenna, to by 100 % prevent the lightning from "jumping over" into the antenna (which then would lead it back into the transmitter)Question

Here one more product:

Amphenol Procom (VHF/FM Broadcast)
https://amphenolprocom.com/products/base-station-antennas/2381-lblad-600

I though still am very interested in the theory: How do the dipoles interact with each other, creating a perfectly omnidirectional circularly polarised signal, without distracting each other? (There still is a rod between them, too.) Do you see a potential for an article (on the topic)? Rolling Eyes

THANKS.

Best
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:11 am    Post subject: Re: Lindenblad antenna Reply with quote

R. Fry wrote:
comanchero wrote:
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https://i.postimg.cc/7bvXpCB5/Lindenblad-Radiation-Envelope-Free-Space.jpg


Hi, @R. Fry,

yeah, THANKS for the info. I still am very interested in the INTERACTION between the dipoles - HOW they create the UNIFORM omnidirectionally radiated circularly polarised signal.

Embarassed
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:31 am    Post subject: Re: VHF/FM Broadcast Reply with quote

comanchero wrote:
... What do you think - is it possible to effectively/perfectly de-couple the lightning rod from the antenna, to by 100 % prevent the lightning from "jumping over" into the antenna (which then would lead it back into the transmitter)Question ...

No practical antenna can "100% prevent" damage to itself and anything connected to it from a direct strike by lightning.

However the metallic components of some antenna designs have a very low-resistance path for direct current and low-frequency alternating current between the two terminals of their input connector. Normally the shield of a coaxial cable between the antenna and transmitter is "grounded" at the transmitter, through the safety ground path of the incoming a-c mains service. This can reduce the static voltages that may build up on elements of the antenna, which makes the antenna less likely to attract lightning to strike it.

One example of such an antenna design is the Amphenol Procom LBLAD-600, which includes this text in the link you provided to it: "All metal parts DC-grounded (Connector shows a DC-short)."

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I still am very interested in the INTERACTION between the dipoles - HOW they create the UNIFORM omnidirectionally radiated circularly polarised signal.

The short answer lies in the physical spacing, angular orientations, and r-f currents/phases used to drive each of its elements.

The long answer is found in antenna engineering textbooks. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:41 am    Post subject: THANKS Reply with quote

Hello, @R. Fry,

THANK YOU for all of your answers. I think I'll need to study a 'bit' more of the theory. Embarassed

Just briefly back to some of the related sub-topics:

1) Lightning protection: Do you think this https://funkyimg.com/view/37Cah is a bad idea? Idea
2) 'Dead' area inside the array: Is it an effect of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-mode_signal rejection?

However, I'd like to see a 'shaped' article in the "Antenna Types" section:
http://www.antenna-theory.com/antennas/main.php Wink @admin

THANKS to all, again.
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