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ai.xuexi
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:15 pm    Post subject: how to analyze bend transmission line Reply with quote

As we all know, we can transmit electrical signals use 2 wire transmission line system.
From the field view, we transmit TEM mode EM wave useing the 2 wire transmission line system.
However, the textbook analyze the situation of straightline transmission of the wave.
If we bend the 2 wire transmission line system, the signal propagate direction will also bend.
How can we analyze this situation use the Maxwell equations and boardary conditions? I have thought many years, and not get the answer.

and can we use the 2 wire transmission line system change the optical light propagate direction? the optical light can also be TEM mode.
Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:07 am    Post subject: Transmission Lines Reply with quote

You can bend transmission lines of course and still get propagation. What ends up happening is that during the bend or transition, the relative geometry is changing compared to a flat section of transmission line.

As you can guess, this will alter the per unit series resistance, inductance, and shunt capacitance and conductance. The net result of this is as light change in the characteristic impedance of the transmission line. The severity of the bend will determine how much the characteristic impedance changes, and the length of the bend will affect the overall reflection or discontinuity of the line.

You can see more info on transmission lines here:
http://www.antenna-theory.com/tutorial/txline/transmissionline.php

For light waves, there is nothing special about them except the frequency is extraordinarily high so most structures are many wavelengths in dimension.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you very much bigSteve.
so most structures are many wavelengths in dimension.
what does this mean?
can we use the 2 wire transmission line system change the signal propagate direction when structures are many wavelengths in dimension?

How can we analyze bend transmission lines useing the Maxwell equations and boardary conditions?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

why wavelength so important?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

can we use 2 wire transmission line to change the direction of light?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your thinking is probably not very solid on this. Some notes:

1) the light you see is propagating (radiating) electromagnetic waves
2) The electric fields associated with a transmission line are bound waves, and so don't propagate much. So you wouldn't see the light move.

Also, to have a 2-wire transmission line that works at light frequencies the separation between the conductors would have to be nanometers
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bigSteve wrote:
Your thinking is probably not very solid on this. Some notes:

1) the light you see is propagating (radiating) electromagnetic waves
2) The electric fields associated with a transmission line are bound waves, and so don't propagate much. So you wouldn't see the light move.

Also, to have a 2-wire transmission line that works at light frequencies the separation between the conductors would have to be nanometers

Thank you very much bigSteve.
The electric fields associated with a transmission line are bound waves, and so don't propagate much. The fields propagate along the transmission line, do not ?

Also, to have a 2-wire transmission line that works at light frequencies the separation between the conductors would have to be nanometers
--- why wavelength affect the propagation? how to explain this?
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