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af4rk AntennaTheory.com Newbie
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:39 am Post subject: Far Field radiation and Non Resonant Antennas 


With complex conjugate impedance matching, power can be transferred efficiently to a nonresonant antenna. My question is this: How does the reactive component which remains part of the antenna load impedance affect Far Field and Reactive Near Field radiation? In a resonant antenna, the impedance is primarily resistive (from this website, E and H are in phase but orthogonal). That is not the case in the nonresonant antenna. How does this affect Far Field Radiation for a nonresonant antenna versus a resonant antenna? 

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R. Fry Antenna Theory Regular
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:20 am Post subject: 


Properly matching the feedpoint Z of a nonresonant antenna to the transmission line connected there means that the rf current and voltage at the feedpoint are in phase.
Other things equal, both the far and nearfields that configuration radiates are the same as if the antenna was naturally resonant. 

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af4rk AntennaTheory.com Newbie
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 9:02 pm Post subject: Electromagnetic Compatibility: Principles and Applications 


Electromagnetic Compatibility: Principles and Applications,
Second Edition, Revised and Expanded by David Weston (Author)
The radiation resistance is defined as that part of the antenna that
contributes to the power radiated by an antenna. In the case of a
resonant antenna, such as a dipole, the antenna input impedance equals
the radiation resistance. For the tuned dipole, the antenna input
impedance equals 7073 ohms, and for a tuned monopole it equals 3036
ohms, depending on the radius of the conductors used and assuming the
conductor radius is small compared to the antenna length. We use the
term tuned to denote that the antenna length has been adjusted so
that the antenna is resonant at the frequency of interest.
For an electrically small dipole or monopole antenna, where l,
which is the length of one arm, is much less that a quarter wavelength,
the input impedance is predominantly capacitive and is higher than
the resonant value. The radiation resistance is then only a small
fraction of the input impedance.
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af4rk AntennaTheory.com Newbie
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 9:04 pm Post subject: ISBN of reference 


Electromagnetic Compatibility: Principles and Applications, Second Edition, Revised and Expanded
by David Weston (Author)
ISBN13: 9780824788896
ISBN10: 0824788893 

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af4rk AntennaTheory.com Newbie
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 9:31 pm Post subject: Antenna Theory: Analysis and Design 


From the book which is in the Antenna Theory Book Reviews. I bought the Kindle version.
Antenna Theory: Analysis and Design, Constantine Balanis
Section 4.2.2 

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af4rk AntennaTheory.com Newbie
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:42 pm Post subject: I did further research after submitting this post 


So I found some references that answered some of my questions. Here is a question for those of you who believe complex conjugate impedance matching solves every problem. Why do AM broadcast stations typically use a 1/4 wave vertical if a shorter antenna is just as good?
http://www.radiomagonline.com/misc/0082/tallamtowers/26334 

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R. Fry Antenna Theory Regular
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:52 pm Post subject: Re: Electromagnetic Compatibility: Principles and Applicatio 


af4rk wrote:  ... The radiation resistance is defined as that part of the antenna that contributes to the power radiated by an antenna. ... For an electrically small dipole or monopole antenna, where l, which is the length of one arm, is much less that a quarter wavelength, the input impedance is predominantly capacitive and is higher than the resonant value. The radiation resistance is then only a small fraction of the input impedance. 
Radiation resistance is only ONE contributor to the radiation efficiency of a given antenna system. Matching network loss, and in the case of monopoles, also the rf loss in the system path to rf ground are other contributors.
When the intrinsic radiation resistance of the antenna itself is low, then much of the available rf power is dissipated in losses other than radiation resistance  even though by the use of a matching network, the Z at the antenna feedpoint is purely resistive (has zero reactance). 

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af4rk AntennaTheory.com Newbie
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:13 am Post subject: Two Points 


This question remains unanwered:
Why do AM broadcast stations typically use a 1/4 wave vertical if a shorter antenna is just as good?
http://www.radiomagonline.com/misc/0082/tallamtowers/26334
and
The reply is to a quote from Electromagnetic Compatibility: Principles and Applications (Electrical and Computer Engineering) by David Weston. That's not my opinion. 

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af4rk AntennaTheory.com Newbie
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:58 am Post subject: Reference Books 


In addition to the previously mentioned books, I also have "Antenna Engineering Handbook", by Johnson & Jasik. All three agree on electrically short ("small" is used by Johnson & JasiK) antennas being less effective.
Antenna Engineering Handbook, 6.1.
My thesis is that reactance does not radiate. The capacitive case has been solved. All three references agree on this subject. I submitted the post before finding the Weston quote, and then found support in the other references. If your disagreement is with a reference, kindly dispute with the author, I am not qualified to defend their work. 

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R. Fry Antenna Theory Regular
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: Reference Books 


af4rk wrote:  ... My thesis is that reactance does not radiate. 
Agreed.
Quote:  ... If your disagreement is with a reference, kindly dispute with the author, I am not qualified to defend their work. 
I have been agreeing with you and your referenced authors.
The radiation efficiency of an antenna system is the ratio of its radiation resistance to the sum of the radiation resistance + circuit losses. The greatest circuit loss for typical resonant antennas is that of the matching network, and (for monopoles), the loss in the path to rf ground.
Examples:
1) A basefed, unloaded, 1/4wave, naturally resonant vertical monopole has a radiation resistance of about 35 ohms. The rf loss in a ground system consisting of 120 x 1/4wave buried radials used with that monopole typically is about 2 ohms, so the feedpoint Z is about 35+2 = 37 ohms.
The loss in a network needed to match that 37 ohms to 50ohm transmission line might be a few ohms, say 2 ohms. Total R at the input to the matching network then is 37+2 = 39 ohms.
So the radiation efficiency of that antenna system is 35/39 = 0.897, or 89.7%.
2) Substitute a very short vertical conductor for the 1/4wave conductor of example 1. Its radiation resistance is very low, say 0.1 ohm. Its capacitive reactance is very high, say 3,000 ohms, so the loss in a matching network would be much higher than in example 1  say 15 ohms.
If this short, resonant, antenna system was driven against the same radial ground system as in item 1, then its system radiation efficiency is about 0.1/17.1 = 0.006, or 0.6%.
Most of the available transmitter power is dissipated in circuit losses rather than being radiated as em energy.
Quote:  ...Why do AM broadcast stations typically use a 1/4 wave vertical if a shorter antenna is just as good? 
The shorter antenna is not just as good, as illustrated by the above examples. 

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Ted130917 AntennaTheory.com Newbie
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:03 am Post subject: 


Something similar was discussed here:
https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/voltageandcurrentindipoles.523870/
Note the comment from G3TXQ:
"There's not a simple relationship between the relative phases of the antenna voltage & current on the one hand, and the relative phases of the E and H fields on the other.
For example, an antenna could have a very reactive feedpoint impedance  voltage and current close to phase quadrature  whilst in the Far Field the E & H fields are inphase. On the other hand the feedpoint impedance can be resistive and yet the E & H fields be in quadrature in the Near Field." 

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R. Fry Antenna Theory Regular
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:37 pm Post subject: An Elaboration on the Comments of G3TXQ: 


For consideration/discussion, below are some clips on this topic from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation . The bold font attribute was added to call attention to important points.
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"According to Maxwell's equations, a spatially varying electric field is always associated with a magnetic field that changes over time. Likewise, a spatially varying magnetic field is associated with specific changes over time in the electric field. In an electromagnetic wave, the changes in the electric field are always accompanied by a wave in the magnetic field in one direction, and vice versa. This relationship between the two occurs without either type field causing the other; rather, they occur together in the same way that time and space changes occur together and are interlinked in special relativity. In fact, magnetic fields may be viewed as relativistic distortions of electric fields, so the close relationship between space and time changes here is more than an analogy. Together, these fields form a propagating electromagnetic wave, which moves out into space and need never again affect the source."
"The electromagnetic waves that compose electromagnetic radiation can be imagined as a selfpropagating transverse oscillating wave of electric and magnetic fields. This diagram" (omitted in this post) "shows a plane linearly polarized EMR wave propagating from left to right. The electric field is in a vertical plane and the magnetic field in a horizontal plane. The electric and magnetic fields in EMR waves are always in phase and at 90 degrees to each other."
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Therefore all farfield EM radiation (EMR) has a fixed relationship between its E and H fields. Neither field is independent of the other, as was discovered in experience with EH and "crossfield" antenna concepts.
When rf voltage and current are in phase at the feedpoint of an antenna, then power factor is 1; all of that rf power is dissipated in the radiation resistance of that antenna (less wire and other ohmic losses).
For all antenna feedpoint power factors less than unity and for a given applied power, less of that power is radiated as em waves. But whatever farfield power that is radiated as em waves will always have the same relationship between its Efield and Hfield components as described in the clips above.
R. Fry 

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